[Carfreeliving] Treassure Island mass development, green?
Jason Henderson
jhenders at sbcglobal.net
Mon Dec 19 13:48:45 MST 2005
well, I was thinking that too. But then again, don't the AC Transit
buses go where BART does not go in East Bay, and could they not benefit
from transit-only lanes on the bridge? And if we do see real social
change in Bay Area, won't BART get way too crowded in the future? This
is already happening in parts of the DC metro, where they have hit
capacity.
-jh
Joshua Switzky wrote:
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>we don't need BRT on bridge between SF and Oakland -- it's called BART.
>however it doesn't stop at TI. If we could just drill down a station from
>TI into the Transbay tube lying on the mucky floor of the bay, now that
>might be interesting.
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>I most certainly could be wrong, but I do not see Treasure Island as
>marketed as a carfree dev (or even car-lite), although the buzzword of
>sustainability will no doubt be deployed. As I see it, this is
>basically a development proposal that has life because the west-side
>and some east side SF neighborhoods oppose densification along GG Park
>and along core Muni lines (i.e the diluted SF Housing Element and the
>issue of reducing parking space). I also understand Lennar homes has an
>interesting history with Willie Brown, although I am sure others on this
>list could shed more light on that.
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>Bike access on the Bay Bridge (and to TI) is a great idea and should
>have been done yesterday. But by taking away a car lane on the top deck
>- and not spending millions of dollars hanging the path off the side of
>the bridge. While we are at it, take two more lanes off the top deck for
>bus rapid transit between SF (Transbay)-TI-Oakland. And then maybe an
>HOV-only lane. And make the bottom deck two way for regular car/ truck
>traffic. I know, I know, fat chance. We cannot think out of the box. We
>must accomodate the motorist. I will get back in the box.
>Lets drill ANWR so we can get the cash to rebuild levees in New Orleans
>so we can rebuild sprawl in the backswamp. Back in the box now.
>-jh
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>Amber Elizabeth Crabbe wrote:
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>>Treasure Island doesn't HAVE to be inaccessible without a car--there
>>will be a bike/ped path connecting it to Oakland when the East Span is
>>complete, and a coalition of advocates are working to get a similar
>>pathway on the West Span to connect TI (and the East Bay) to the rest of
>>the City. See http://www.sfbike.org/?baybridge for more details.
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>>I was on TI for the first time a few weeks ago, and found the whole
>>thing quite surreal--with a 24-hour human-accessible path, I think it
>>could be quite a unique place to live car-free, if it's done right. I
>>don't know much about it's future wrt water rising, but I don't think
>>the future of sustainable transportation on TI is hopeless.
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>>Wouldn't it be nice if in addition (or as a substitution) to subsidizing
>>the ferry service, the developers would be willing to subsidize a
>>non-polluting, tourist-attracting, right-to-access-providing
>>bike/ped/maintenance pathway on the west span of the Bay Bridge?
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>>Amber Crabbe
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>>-----Original Message-----
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>>[mailto:Carfreeliving-bounces at livablecity.org] On Behalf Of Jason
>>Henderson
>>Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 10:32 AM
>>To: Joshua Switzky
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>>Subject: Re: [Carfreeliving] Treassure Island mass development, green?
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>>I agree with Josh on the wetland/ farming angle. Sticking thousands of
>>people on Treasure Island is negligence. This is not real land, and will
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>>get wacked in a few years by sea-level rise. It will not be
>>"sustainable" from a transport perspective. The ferry idea is not going
>>to cut it. They use a lot of diesel and do not carry a lot of people.
>>RM2 made it clear that Muni and other transit agencies were denied funds
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>>while ferries got huge subsidies for carrying far fewer people daily.
>>This development will be car dependent and the people out there will get
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>>angry at their mobility situation - and demand more parking in SF.
>>Eventually the "demand" to live on the island village will gradually
>>decline and it will be a boondoggle. Or maybe a ghetto.
>>How much parking is proposed, by the way? 1:1?
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>>-jh
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