[Carfreeliving] Re: Home Depot and Bayshore Blvd bikeway

Wed Jul 27 14:44:55 MDT 2005

Mike,

These are great ideas. What will it take to get them seriously 
included in the discussion of mitigations for the Home Depot project?

Dave

>I think we should be careful to not oversimplify the details 
>associated with constructing segregated BRT facilities in the middle 
>of the roadway if such a request is to be taken seriously by Home 
>Depot.
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>Another idea:  A commute hour parking tow-away that reveals transit 
>lane along the curb.  If the lane is 14 feet wide, bikes and buses 
>can share the lane side by side when parking is not allowed.  When 
>parking (which takes 7' - 8') is allowed, the 6' - 7' that remains 
>of the transit lane can serve as a pseudo bike lane.  Actually, I 
>think that may be the best of both worlds.  Relatively simple 
>roadway work, space for cyclists 24/7, transit lane during times 
>when traffic is the worst, and an overall improvement to capacity 
>along the roadway.  Biggest (only?) loser are the people who park on 
>the street during commute hours.
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>Throw in some transit priority at the signals, improve some bus 
>stops, and you have a quick and important improvement for transit 
>and cyclists.  No major, costly, lengthy construction or community 
>outreach that would likely be associated with a full BRT design 
>(which I believe does not have to go in now, especially if the space 
>is reserved via a shorter term proposal like I describe), and the 
>space is partially reserved for a future effort.
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>Overall, I think that if we want Home Depot to add roadway 
>improvements to its scope of work, they have to be fairly cheap, 
>popular, and relatively quick to implement so that the timing jives 
>with the store opening.
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>Also, I know Level of Service is a dirty word to many people here, 
>but it is a reality that developers have to deal with.  The idea I 
>describe for the curbside transit/bike lane improves LOS during 
>commute hours than if they went with the current roadway design. 
> That may be very important to Home Depot.
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>We may want to be careful to keep requests/demands realistic, or 
>risk missing an opportunity and end up with nothing.
>Mike
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>"Andrew Sullivan" <sulli at sulli.org>
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>07/27/2005 12:34 PM
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>Paint's cheap.  Concrete boarding islands aren't that expensive. 
> Why not propose a combination of center bus only lanes and bike 
>lanes?  Sure, this means less auto capacity, but there's a freeway 
>right there.  Auto parking along the side of the street can go, if 
>that's the tradeoff - most businesses along Bayshore have their own 
>parking, and Home Depot certainly will.
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>If we don't get at least the right-of-way for BRT now, we'll never get it.
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>Andrew
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>On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:11:00 -0700 Mike Sallaberry wrote:Couple 
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>1) The median work for bike lanes is pretty easy.  Maybe asking for BRT
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>treatments or a complete street along Bayshore at this point makes the
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>entire request too big and more easily rejectable.  Then we end up with
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>nothing more than their initial proposal.
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>2) The right of way that could be obtained by setting Home Depot back x
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>feet from their property line may be for naught if other properties along
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>the street are built up to their property lines.
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>I whole heartedly support BRT.  I think that is the way to go as rail is
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>too expensive and inflexible.  I just don't know if this is the best time
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>and place to ask for BRT style treatments or a complete rebuild of the
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>A more discreet BRT type request could be for transit priority to be
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>"Dan Krause"  
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>Hi Folks,
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>We need to be thinking about transit on this section of Bayshore as well.
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>The heavily used #9 bus runs through here and is already slowed
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>significantly from traffic at certain times of the day.  Rescue Muni feels
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>that BRT is an appropriate treatment here.  Many transit-dependent people
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>rely on the #9 and without BRT improvements, there lives are going to just
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>get much worse after Home Depot opens.
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>We should all sit down very soon and figure out if this can become a
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>"Complete Street".   We must not preclude transit lanes here and it would
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>be fabulous if Home Depot could pay for a complete streets treatment. They
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>damn well should because it is going to be a cash cow for them and they
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>are going inundate the the street with traffic.  The street width is very
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>wide on Bayshore so it may work out for everybody.   Home Depot needs to
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>be designed in a way that doesn't constrain the width of the road.
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>Thanks for that idea Mike.  I work at Bernal Heights Neighborhood Center,
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>so yes, am involved in this one.  BTW, for anyone interested in going to
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>the Planning Commish tomorrow, the meeting does start at 1pm but this item
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>http://www.sfgov.org/site/planning_page.asp?id=33460
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>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:15:14 -0700
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>From: Mike Sallaberry
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>Subject: [Carfreeliving] Home Depot and Bayshore Blvd bikeway
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>On this project, one possible mitigation for the traffic impacts of Home
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>Depot could be for them to pay for (or do the work for) the median shaving
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>necessary to stripe a northbound bike lane on Bayshore from Industrial to
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>Jerrold. DPT mentioned the idea to them but I believe they said their
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>project area was limited, or something like that. I think it would be a
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>good way for them to build up some goodwill with the community, and in the
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>whole scheme of things, it will not cost them that much, especially since
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>they are already doing some concrete/asphalt/signal work near the entrance
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>on Bayshore. Too bad they didn't take the opportunity to be more
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>The southbound route here is on Barneveld/Loomis, so for this section of
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>Bayshore, the median shaving and northbound bike lane would take care of a
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>big chunk of what we need on Bayshore. With the Oakdale bike lanes
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>recently extended, this is a good chance to continue filling in the gaps
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>Anyone involved with the Home Depot effort? I think if enough people ask
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>for this, there is a chance they'll do it.
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>Mike
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>** Thursday, July 28th **
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>BAYSHORE HOME DEPOT - PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
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>1 pm, City Hall, Rm 400*
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>The proposed Home Depot on Bayshore (site of the old Goodman's Lumber and
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>Whole Earth Access) will have a dramatic impact on traffic and could
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>affect bike lanes on Bayshore. This Planning Commission meeting will be
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>the final review and action on the project -- be sure to come out and help
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>push for the best outcome for biking on Bayshore.
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