[Carfreeliving] Re: Home Depot and Bayshore Blvd bikeway

Wed Jul 27 15:18:56 MDT 2005

I don't know...slide some big cheese a few c-notes?  Where is this project 
in the approval process?  I'll leave it to someone more in tune with the 
Home Depot project.  I can certainly help with the design if this 
additional work is accepted by Home Depot.

If Home Depot doesn't do it, DPT will be looking at it this year.  It will 
just take longer and we'll need to find money for the work (because, you 
know, the DPT Bicycle Program gets $0 from the city).

At the very very absolute least, Home Depot should be convinced to support 
these sorts of changes when they are eventually designed and proposed by 
DPT, regardless of impacts to on-street parking near their store.

Dave Snyder <dave at livablecity.org> 
07/27/2005 01:44 PM

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Mike Sallaberry <Mike.Sallaberry at sfgov.org>, Carfreeliving at livablecity.org
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RE: RE: [Carfreeliving] Re: Home Depot and Bayshore Blvd bikeway

Mike,

These are great ideas. What will it take to get them seriously included in 
the discussion of mitigations for the Home Depot project?

Dave

I think we should be careful to not oversimplify the details associated 
with constructing segregated BRT facilities in the middle of the roadway 
if such a request is to be taken seriously by Home Depot.
Another idea:  A commute hour parking tow-away that reveals transit lane 
along the curb.  If the lane is 14 feet wide, bikes and buses can share 
the lane side by side when parking is not allowed.  When parking (which 
takes 7' - 8') is allowed, the 6' - 7' that remains of the transit lane 
can serve as a pseudo bike lane.  Actually, I think that may be the best 
of both worlds.  Relatively simple roadway work, space for cyclists 24/7, 
transit lane during times when traffic is the worst, and an overall 
improvement to capacity along the roadway.  Biggest (only?) loser are the 
people who park on the street during commute hours.

Throw in some transit priority at the signals, improve some bus stops, and 
you have a quick and important improvement for transit and cyclists.  No 
major, costly, lengthy construction or community outreach that would 
likely be associated with a full BRT design (which I believe does not have 
to go in now, especially if the space is reserved via a shorter term 
proposal like I describe), and the space is partially reserved for a 
future effort.

Overall, I think that if we want Home Depot to add roadway improvements to 
its scope of work, they have to be fairly cheap, popular, and relatively 
quick to implement so that the timing jives with the store opening.

Also, I know Level of Service is a dirty word to many people here, but it 
is a reality that developers have to deal with.  The idea I describe for 
the curbside transit/bike lane improves LOS during commute hours than if 
they went with the current roadway design.  That may be very important to 
Home Depot.
We may want to be careful to keep requests/demands realistic, or risk 
missing an opportunity and end up with nothing.
Mike

"Andrew Sullivan" <sulli at sulli.org>
07/27/2005 12:34 PM
Please respond to
andrew at sulli.org

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transit1 at rescuemuni.org
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RE: RE: [Carfreeliving] Re: Home Depot and Bayshore Blvd bikeway

Paint's cheap.  Concrete boarding islands aren't that expensive.  Why not 
propose a combination of center bus only lanes and bike lanes?  Sure, this 
means less auto capacity, but there's a freeway right there.  Auto parking 
along the side of the street can go, if that's the tradeoff - most 
businesses along Bayshore have their own parking, and Home Depot certainly 
will.

If we don't get at least the right-of-way for BRT now, we'll never get it.

Andrew

------- Original Message -------
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:11:00 -0700 Mike Sallaberry wrote:Couple thoughts 
off the top of my head:

1) The median work for bike lanes is pretty easy.  Maybe asking for BRT

treatments or a complete street along Bayshore at this point makes the

entire request too big and more easily rejectable.  Then we end up with

nothing more than their initial proposal.

2) The right of way that could be obtained by setting Home Depot back x

feet from their property line may be for naught if other properties along

the street are built up to their property lines.

I whole heartedly support BRT.  I think that is the way to go as rail is

too expensive and inflexible.  I just don't know if this is the best time

and place to ask for BRT style treatments or a complete rebuild of the

street.

A more discreet BRT type request could be for transit priority to be

incorporated into any new signals they install.

Mike

"Dan Krause" 

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07/27/2005 11:59 AM

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transit1 at rescuemuni.org
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RE: [Carfreeliving] Re: Home Depot and Bayshore Blvd bikeway

Hi Folks,

We need to be thinking about transit on this section of Bayshore as well.

The heavily used #9 bus runs through here and is already slowed

significantly from traffic at certain times of the day.  Rescue Muni feels

that BRT is an appropriate treatment here.  Many transit-dependent people

rely on the #9 and without BRT improvements, there lives are going to just

get much worse after Home Depot opens.

We should all sit down very soon and figure out if this can become a

"Complete Street".   We must not preclude transit lanes here and it would

be fabulous if Home Depot could pay for a complete streets treatment. They

damn well should because it is going to be a cash cow for them and they

are going inundate the the street with traffic.  The street width is very

wide on Bayshore so it may work out for everybody.   Home Depot needs to

be designed in a way that doesn't constrain the width of the road.

______________________________

Dan Krause

Managing Director, Rescue Muni

105 San Jose Ave.

San Francisco, CA  94110

415/826-1219 (p)   415/826-3362 (f)

dankrause at rescuemuni.org

www.rescuemuni.org

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[mailto:Carfreeliving-bounces at livablecity.org] On Behalf Of Shannon Dodge

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Subject: [Carfreeliving] Re: Home Depot and Bayshore Blvd bikeway

Thanks for that idea Mike.  I work at Bernal Heights Neighborhood Center,

so yes, am involved in this one.  BTW, for anyone interested in going to

the Planning Commish tomorrow, the meeting does start at 1pm but this item

is not scheduled until 6 pm -

http://www.sfgov.org/site/planning_page.asp?id=33460

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Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:15:14 -0700

From: Mike Sallaberry

Subject: [Carfreeliving] Home Depot and Bayshore Blvd bikeway

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On this project, one possible mitigation for the traffic impacts of Home

Depot could be for them to pay for (or do the work for) the median shaving

necessary to stripe a northbound bike lane on Bayshore from Industrial to

Jerrold. DPT mentioned the idea to them but I believe they said their

project area was limited, or something like that. I think it would be a

good way for them to build up some goodwill with the community, and in the

whole scheme of things, it will not cost them that much, especially since

they are already doing some concrete/asphalt/signal work near the entrance

on Bayshore. Too bad they didn't take the opportunity to be more

proactive.

The southbound route here is on Barneveld/Loomis, so for this section of

Bayshore, the median shaving and northbound bike lane would take care of a

big chunk of what we need on Bayshore. With the Oakdale bike lanes

recently extended, this is a good chance to continue filling in the gaps

in the area.

Anyone involved with the Home Depot effort? I think if enough people ask

for this, there is a chance they'll do it.

Mike

** Thursday, July 28th **

BAYSHORE HOME DEPOT - PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING

1 pm, City Hall, Rm 400*

The proposed Home Depot on Bayshore (site of the old Goodman's Lumber and

Whole Earth Access) will have a dramatic impact on traffic and could

affect bike lanes on Bayshore. This Planning Commission meeting will be

the final review and action on the project -- be sure to come out and help

push for the best outcome for biking on Bayshore.

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