[Carfreeliving] Re: Home Depot and Bayshore Blvd bikeway

Wed Jul 27 15:37:35 MDT 2005

The ideas presented below could work as an interim solution to traffic
generated from the store opening before real BRT can be implemented.
Then BRT could be implemented later in center lanes.  Also, I believe
Home Depot should be required to pay for such interim solutions as well
as set aside a fund where they would at least have to contribute x% to
the BRT improvements in a couple years.  The City could throw some Prop.
K funds or other funds at a Phase 2 improvements.   Look, as I said
before Home Depot needs to pay up if they want to be in SF.  If they
don't want to play ball, lets kill it and then do our improvements
without them.  The City could certainly do some improvements on its own
without the big corporate beast if it came down to it.

But I want to stress, any agreement made should make the City and Home
Depot commit to developing a real BRT project with a timetable, etc.  A
similar arrangement just took place for Potrero Ave, where BRT upgrade
is being planned for in the future.  Anyway, I would also be willing to
sit down and draw up some design for both interim and permanent
treatments for Bayshore.  For those interesed, TLC has been discussing
beginning rountable meeting between the various transportation advocacy
groups to help get us all on the same page.  I'll see if we can set one
of these up soon.

______________________________
Dan Krause
Managing Director, Rescue Muni
105 San Jose Ave.
San Francisco, CA  94110
415/826-1219 (p)   415/826-3362 (f)
dankrause at rescuemuni.org
www.rescuemuni.org <http://www.rescuemuni.org/> 

-----Original Message-----
From: Carfreeliving-bounces at livablecity.org
[mailto:Carfreeliving-bounces at livablecity.org] On Behalf Of Dave Snyder
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 1:45 PM
To: Mike Sallaberry; Carfreeliving at livablecity.org
Subject: RE: RE: [Carfreeliving] Re: Home Depot and Bayshore Blvd
bikeway

Mike,

These are great ideas. What will it take to get them seriously included
in the discussion of mitigations for the Home Depot project?

Dave

I think we should be careful to not oversimplify the details associated
with constructing segregated BRT facilities in the middle of the roadway
if such a request is to be taken seriously by Home Depot.

Another idea:  A commute hour parking tow-away that reveals transit lane
along the curb.  If the lane is 14 feet wide, bikes and buses can share
the lane side by side when parking is not allowed.  When parking (which
takes 7' - 8') is allowed, the 6' - 7' that remains of the transit lane
can serve as a pseudo bike lane.  Actually, I think that may be the best
of both worlds.  Relatively simple roadway work, space for cyclists
24/7, transit lane during times when traffic is the worst, and an
overall improvement to capacity along the roadway.  Biggest (only?)
loser are the people who park on the street during commute hours.

Throw in some transit priority at the signals, improve some bus stops,
and you have a quick and important improvement for transit and cyclists.
No major, costly, lengthy construction or community outreach that would
likely be associated with a full BRT design (which I believe does not
have to go in now, especially if the space is reserved via a shorter
term proposal like I describe), and the space is partially reserved for
a future effort.

Overall, I think that if we want Home Depot to add roadway improvements
to its scope of work, they have to be fairly cheap, popular, and
relatively quick to implement so that the timing jives with the store
opening.

Also, I know Level of Service is a dirty word to many people here, but
it is a reality that developers have to deal with.  The idea I describe
for the curbside transit/bike lane improves LOS during commute hours
than if they went with the current roadway design.  That may be very
important to Home Depot.

We may want to be careful to keep requests/demands realistic, or risk
missing an opportunity and end up with nothing.

Mike

"Andrew Sullivan" <sulli at sulli.org>

07/27/2005 12:34 PM

Please respond to
andrew at sulli.org

To

Mike.Sallaberry at sfgov.org, Carfreeliving at livablecity.org

cc

transit1 at rescuemuni.org

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RE: RE: [Carfreeliving] Re: Home Depot and Bayshore Blvd bikeway

Paint's cheap.  Concrete boarding islands aren't that expensive.  Why
not propose a combination of center bus only lanes and bike lanes?
Sure, this means less auto capacity, but there's a freeway right there.
Auto parking along the side of the street can go, if that's the tradeoff
- most businesses along Bayshore have their own parking, and Home Depot
certainly will.

If we don't get at least the right-of-way for BRT now, we'll never get
it.

Andrew

------- Original Message -------
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:11:00 -0700 Mike Sallaberry wrote:Couple thoughts
off the top of my head:

1) The median work for bike lanes is pretty easy.  Maybe asking for BRT

treatments or a complete street along Bayshore at this point makes the

entire request too big and more easily rejectable.  Then we end up with

nothing more than their initial proposal.

2) The right of way that could be obtained by setting Home Depot back x

feet from their property line may be for naught if other properties
along

the street are built up to their property lines.

I whole heartedly support BRT.  I think that is the way to go as rail is

too expensive and inflexible.  I just don't know if this is the best
time

and place to ask for BRT style treatments or a complete rebuild of the

street.

A more discreet BRT type request could be for transit priority to be

incorporated into any new signals they install.

Mike

"Dan Krause"  

Sent by: Carfreeliving-bounces at livablecity.org

07/27/2005 11:59 AM

To

cc

transit1 at rescuemuni.org

Subject

RE: [Carfreeliving] Re: Home Depot and Bayshore Blvd bikeway

Hi Folks,

We need to be thinking about transit on this section of Bayshore as
well.

The heavily used #9 bus runs through here and is already slowed

significantly from traffic at certain times of the day.  Rescue Muni
feels

that BRT is an appropriate treatment here.  Many transit-dependent
people

rely on the #9 and without BRT improvements, there lives are going to
just

get much worse after Home Depot opens.

We should all sit down very soon and figure out if this can become a

"Complete Street".   We must not preclude transit lanes here and it
would

be fabulous if Home Depot could pay for a complete streets treatment.
They

damn well should because it is going to be a cash cow for them and they

are going inundate the the street with traffic.  The street width is
very

wide on Bayshore so it may work out for everybody.   Home Depot needs to

be designed in a way that doesn't constrain the width of the road.

______________________________

Dan Krause

Managing Director, Rescue Muni

105 San Jose Ave.

San Francisco, CA  94110

415/826-1219 (p)   415/826-3362 (f)

dankrause at rescuemuni.org

www.rescuemuni.org

-----Original Message-----

From: Carfreeliving-bounces at livablecity.org

[mailto:Carfreeliving-bounces at livablecity.org] On Behalf Of Shannon
Dodge

Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:25 AM

To: Carfreeliving at livablecity.org

Subject: [Carfreeliving] Re: Home Depot and Bayshore Blvd bikeway

Thanks for that idea Mike.  I work at Bernal Heights Neighborhood
Center,

so yes, am involved in this one.  BTW, for anyone interested in going to

the Planning Commish tomorrow, the meeting does start at 1pm but this
item

is not scheduled until 6 pm -

http://www.sfgov.org/site/planning_page.asp?id=33460

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Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:15:14 -0700

From: Mike Sallaberry

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On this project, one possible mitigation for the traffic impacts of Home

Depot could be for them to pay for (or do the work for) the median
shaving

necessary to stripe a northbound bike lane on Bayshore from Industrial
to

Jerrold. DPT mentioned the idea to them but I believe they said their

project area was limited, or something like that. I think it would be a

good way for them to build up some goodwill with the community, and in
the

whole scheme of things, it will not cost them that much, especially
since

they are already doing some concrete/asphalt/signal work near the
entrance

on Bayshore. Too bad they didn't take the opportunity to be more

proactive.

The southbound route here is on Barneveld/Loomis, so for this section of

Bayshore, the median shaving and northbound bike lane would take care of
a

big chunk of what we need on Bayshore. With the Oakdale bike lanes

recently extended, this is a good chance to continue filling in the gaps

in the area.

Anyone involved with the Home Depot effort? I think if enough people ask

for this, there is a chance they'll do it.

Mike

** Thursday, July 28th **

BAYSHORE HOME DEPOT - PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING

1 pm, City Hall, Rm 400*

The proposed Home Depot on Bayshore (site of the old Goodman's Lumber
and

Whole Earth Access) will have a dramatic impact on traffic and could

affect bike lanes on Bayshore. This Planning Commission meeting will be

the final review and action on the project -- be sure to come out and
help

push for the best outcome for biking on Bayshore.

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