[Carfreeliving] Pedestrian Dragged 40 feet in Sunset
Joel Pomerantz
doajig at earthlink.net
Tue Mar 15 19:32:00 MST 2005
In a world where each person mined, refined and designed their own
transit, focus on individual responsibility would make a lot more
sense than in the world we have. It's not simply a lamentable
coincidence that people who are bad drivers are on the roads in death
monsters. It's policy.
Joel
At 3:28 PM -0800 3/15/05, Hitesh Soneji wrote:
>The key here is responsible use of a vehicle. The blatant
>lack of proper judgment in terms of when a car is necessary
>for transit, and the poor habits people have developed when
>using their cars is very disturbing.
>
>Given that we are working slowly towards a better
>transit/bike/walk infrastructure (which we hope will
>eventually get more people unglued from their car seats) the
>more pressing questions are:
>
>1) What are the real repercussions to injuring anyone while
>behind the wheel? Why are these penalties not greater? How do
>we make the appropriate legislative changes or persuade DA's
>to pursue these avenues of prosecution?
>
>2) How do we change overall driver behavior? Some people are
>going to be driving no matter what we do or build to enable
>car free living. How do we change their behavior? How do we
>get drivers to be conscious of the danger they pose?
>
>I don't have the answers, but it would be great to brainstorm
>some ideas and implementation schemes.
>
>Hitesh Soneji
>
>
>--- Joshua Hart <joshua at sfbike.org> wrote:
>
>> Yes but a system that leaves driving as the only reasonable
>> choice,
>> even for those drivers who are too old, drunk,
>> irresponsible, or
>> otherwise incapable to operate what is (as you know) an
>> extremely
>> dangerous mode of transportation, and refuses to deny
>> licenses to even
>> those who abuse the "privelege" is a system that kills and
>> injures by
>> design. How many people would die in a United States using
>> primarily
>> trains and bicycles as our main mode of transportation? A
>> lot less
>> than 50,000 I believe.
>>
>>
>> Josh
>> -car-free since 1999
>> - sad and angry about Mike's crash and believe that if this
>> woman who
>> hit him was denied a drivers license and there was better
>> transit that
>> Mike would still be riding...
>> -rent and drive cars when absolutely necessary
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 15, 2005, at 2:27 PM, Mike Sallaberry wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > The utility of a car (or any object) has nothing to do
>> with its
>> > potential to kill or maim someone because of how someone
>> misuses it.
>> > Trains run by negligent operators have killed more than
>> a few folks -
>> > perhaps we should start a train-free living list.
>> >
>> > I know this is a list where we all get to freely preach
>> to the choir,
>> > but I hope our arguments to the public are a little more
>> reasoned.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > - car-free my entire life
>> > - struck and sent flying by one 10 days ago (I blame the
>> driver, not
>> > the car)
>> > - may one day own one
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Joshua Hart <joshua at sfbike.org>
>> > Sent by: Carfreeliving-bounces at livablecity.org
>> >
>> > 03/15/2005 02:06 PM
>> >
>> > To
>> > sfbcstaff at sfbike.org
>> >
>> > cc
>> > carfreeliving at livablecity.org, Wes Kirkman
>> <kirkman at walksf.org>
>> >
>> > Subject
>> > [Carfreeliving] Pedestrian Dragged 40 feet in Sunset
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cars are such a convenient and advanced mode of
>> transportation- thank
>> > the lord for the automobile!
>> >
>> > J
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/baycitynews/archive/2005/
>> > 03/15/dragged15.DTL
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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