[Carfreeliving] Fairy wings
Jason Henderson
jhenders at sbcglobal.net
Tue Mar 15 21:31:25 MST 2005
"Californians can't get from place to place on little *fairy wings*.
This is a car-centered state. We need roads." - Arnold Schwarzenegger State
of the State address
I still don't know whether to laugh or cry.
-jh
Joel Pomerantz wrote:
> In a world where each person mined, refined and designed their own
> transit, focus on individual responsibility would make a lot more
> sense than in the world we have. It's not simply a lamentable
> coincidence that people who are bad drivers are on the roads in death
> monsters. It's policy.
>
> Joel
>
> At 3:28 PM -0800 3/15/05, Hitesh Soneji wrote:
>
>> The key here is responsible use of a vehicle. The blatant
>> lack of proper judgment in terms of when a car is necessary
>> for transit, and the poor habits people have developed when
>> using their cars is very disturbing.
>>
>> Given that we are working slowly towards a better
>> transit/bike/walk infrastructure (which we hope will
>> eventually get more people unglued from their car seats) the
>> more pressing questions are:
>>
>> 1) What are the real repercussions to injuring anyone while
>> behind the wheel? Why are these penalties not greater? How do
>> we make the appropriate legislative changes or persuade DA's
>> to pursue these avenues of prosecution?
>>
>> 2) How do we change overall driver behavior? Some people are
>> going to be driving no matter what we do or build to enable
>> car free living. How do we change their behavior? How do we
>> get drivers to be conscious of the danger they pose?
>>
>> I don't have the answers, but it would be great to brainstorm
>> some ideas and implementation schemes.
>>
>> Hitesh Soneji
>>
>>
>> --- Joshua Hart <joshua at sfbike.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes but a system that leaves driving as the only reasonable
>>> choice,
>>> even for those drivers who are too old, drunk,
>>> irresponsible, or
>>> otherwise incapable to operate what is (as you know) an
>>> extremely
>>> dangerous mode of transportation, and refuses to deny
>>> licenses to even
>>> those who abuse the "privelege" is a system that kills and
>>> injures by
>>> design. How many people would die in a United States using
>>> primarily
>>> trains and bicycles as our main mode of transportation? A
>>> lot less
>>> than 50,000 I believe.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh
>>> -car-free since 1999
>>> - sad and angry about Mike's crash and believe that if this
>>> woman who
>>> hit him was denied a drivers license and there was better
>>> transit that
>>> Mike would still be riding...
>>> -rent and drive cars when absolutely necessary
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 15, 2005, at 2:27 PM, Mike Sallaberry wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > The utility of a car (or any object) has nothing to do
>>> with its
>>> > potential to kill or maim someone because of how someone
>>> misuses it.
>>> > Trains run by negligent operators have killed more than
>>> a few folks -
>>> > perhaps we should start a train-free living list.
>>> >
>>> > I know this is a list where we all get to freely preach
>>> to the choir,
>>> > but I hope our arguments to the public are a little more
>>> reasoned.
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> > - car-free my entire life
>>> > - struck and sent flying by one 10 days ago (I blame the
>>> driver, not
>>> > the car)
>>> > - may one day own one
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Joshua Hart <joshua at sfbike.org>
>>> > Sent by: Carfreeliving-bounces at livablecity.org
>>> >
>>> > 03/15/2005 02:06 PM
>>> >
>>> > To
>>> > sfbcstaff at sfbike.org
>>> >
>>> > cc
>>> > carfreeliving at livablecity.org, Wes Kirkman
>>> <kirkman at walksf.org>
>>> >
>>> > Subject
>>> > [Carfreeliving] Pedestrian Dragged 40 feet in Sunset
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Cars are such a convenient and advanced mode of
>>> transportation- thank > the lord for the automobile!
>>> >
>>> > J
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/baycitynews/archive/2005/
>>
>>> > 03/15/dragged15.DTL
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> > | __o SF
>>> BICYCLE
>>> > COALITION ___ __0 > |
>>> > | _`\<,_
>>> Promoting
>>> > the Bike > |___| _ \<,_ |
>>> > | (*)/ (*) for Everyday
>>> > Transport > (*)+---(*)/ (*) |
>>
>> > > |
>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > |
>>> > | 1095 Market St. #215 SF 94103 415.431.BIKE
>>> www.sfbike.org > > |
>>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>>> joshua at sfbike.org
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>>> __0 |
>>> | _`\<,_ Promoting the Bike
>>> |___| _ \<,_ |
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>>> (*)+---(*)/ (*) |
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Jason Henderson
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