[Carfreeliving] BoS Land Use -- Market/Octavia freeway ramp
Bert Hill
echill at sfhills.org
Thu Nov 3 13:29:34 MST 2005
How about a facility like bollards? A timed camera?
By the way, I just about got nailed this morning by a fast moving SUV (Range
Rover) making a right turn from Market at Valencia. I felt deceptively too
secure in the undashed bike lane, assuming (without consciously noting) that
a solid line meant 'No Right Turn'. This person came up fast and right
hooked in front of me (no, I didn't do a 270 degree quick turn). Perhaps he
was pissed because he couldn't make a right turn onto the freeway and
wanting to teach a cyclist a lesson - who knows. Still, it might be good to
provide a dashed line at Valencia at the next striping party.
Bert
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[mailto:Carfreeliving-bounces at livablecity.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sallaberry
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Subject: Re: [Carfreeliving] BoS Land Use -- Market/Octavia freeway ramp
Josh, I don't think you are accurately conveying what may happen if the turn
is allowed by saying that there will be "hundreds of cars queuing." That
won't be the case, especially if there can be improvements made to Duboce to
make that a better route for freeway-bound motorists.
Unfortunately, it looks like the decisions which lead to the current No
Right Turn at the intersection fail to acknowledge human nature and the
limitations of what facilities and enforcement can accomplish. Designing in
a way counter to these realities is pointless. It would be like installing
a "Bikes walk bikes across crosswalk" sign at the Fell-Masonic path
crossing.
Mike
Joshua Switzky <Joshua.Switzky at sfgov.org>
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Re: [Carfreeliving] BoS Land Use -- Market/Octavia freeway ramp
the right turn is even greater than a bike or ped issue -- it's about
encouraging and facilitating the use of Market as a freeway on-ramp. If the
right-turn movement is allowed, this won't be one or two incidental cars
and hour, this will be hundreds of cars queuing on market street that
aren't there now, that will not just back up across the bike lane, but into
the travel lane, and onto the F-line tracks. All these cars now use Duboce
(not a transit route, not a bike route), and have been doing so for 50
years. Why invite all these cars to stay on Market for two or three more
blocks and queue on Market Street, where the impacts are 100 times greater?
-j
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[Carfreeliving] BoS Land Use --
Market/Octavia freeway ramp
11/01/2005 11:01
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Good people of all modes, but especially you Pedestrian Advocates --
Tomorrow (Weds 11/2) the BoS Land Use Committee will be hearing from
DPT and others on the Market/Octavia freeway ramp, a status report,
what's dangerous, what needs fixing. The banned right turn off EB
Market onto the freeway has been made by some into a bike lane issue,
but much more than that it's a pedestrian issue -- no matter where
the bike lane is positioned (against the curb, to the left of a turn
pocket), pedestrians are imperiled by the fast downhill careless turn
onto the freeway (the most common pedestrian injury/fatality? seems
like there's a superlative statistic I've heard about fast turns and
injuries) . . .
So it'd be great to get a few eloquent pedestrians up for comment at
tomorrow's meeting. It starts at 1:00 pm (City Hall, Room 263) but
the Octavia Market Freeway item probably won't come up till an hour
or two into the meeting (it's #5, the last item):
http://sfgov.org/site/bdsupvrs_page.asp?id=13956
And if you can't come, please send Sup. Dufty a note
(Bevan.Dufty at sfgov.org) . . .
Use your bell,
--Andy--
==== from the SFBC Bike Bulletin, pardon any repetition =====
LAND USE COMMITTEE HEARS MARKET/OCTAVIA/FREEWAY CONCERNS WEDS 11/2
The new central freeway ramp at Market and Octavia has been open for
almost two months, but that gnarly intersection is still missing some
key safety features to help assure pedestrians and cyclists of safe
passage along the street. This Wednesday (11/2) the Board of
Supervisors' Land Use Committee (1:00 pm, City Hall, Room 263) will
conduct a hearing on the Market/Octavia freeway ramp, what's been
done so far and what's left to do. We'll be there to emphasize the
city's commitment to keeping Market Street a transit/ped/bike space
and not a freeway feeder route, and ask that colored bike lane
pavement be installed across mouth of the freeway, as recommended in
the Board's August 2004 resolution banning the eastbound right turn
onto the freeway. (You may notice that a new bike lane has been
striped along a key block on eastbound Market St. near the new
freeway ramp, but it's not a colored bike lane as it should be to
draw more attention to this tricky area.)
Please come to this hearing if you can, and contact Supervisor Dufty
(Bevan.Dufty at sfgov.org) and let him know that you want colored bike
pavement ~now~ as part of the safety treatments for this intersection.
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